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 My parent's new Volvo XC & misc wagon talk.



The board seems kinda slow, and today is Boston Marathon day, so there are few people at work here today.

My parents picked up their new Volvo XC wagon this past weekend. I both liked it and hated it. I liked it for what it offers. On paper it looks great, and in a way it is great. It's just how it delivers it that I don't like. The looks are ok, not good, not bad. It looks large and I don't much care for all the plastic moldings. Here is what I love about it. It is incredibly functional. Lots of room, comfortable seats, tons of fold-out thingies for extra space/storage, and very ergonomical. I wasn't able to judge its AWD/off-road prowess, but I'll assume it will do it's job well (it does have good ground clearance). So as a family wagon that can accomodate a lot of people in relative comfort in any weather or road, it should be great. To my parents, who couldn't care less about handling, braking, or any other measure of enthuasiatic driving, the car will easily satisfy.

But here is why I don't like it. The engine, rated at 247 hp (turbo), simply sucks (though it has power). It's rough (my fiancee said "what the hell is THAT noise?"... she thought something was broken), power delivery is non-linear, there is lots of throttle delay (MUCH worse than with a 2001 330Ci I test drove), and the auto is good but not great given today's autos. The brakes felt terrible too. They had lots of power, but it felt like there was a block of foam at the bottom of my shoe. In general the car was awfully numb and isolating.

To give you an idea, when I got back on my 1990 190E, my car felt incredibly nimble, agile, responsive, and everything reacted and felt much better. And my car is no enthusiast's car. Basically, I came away thinking, when I buy a wagon to replace my benz in a couple of years (we want an Automatic, AWD wagon for bad weather, trips, kids, etc), Volvo's wont be in the mix. I am just not willing to give up THAT much. I also don't think I'll need that much room for several years. So that narrows it down to these choices:

1) 325xiT
2) A4 Avant 1.8T
3) A4 Avant 3.0
4) Passat V6 4-motion
The C-320 is out because it's too pricey and too fancy. I want something functional, not luxurious, and I think M-B's are all about luxury. I have a feeling I won't like the Passat after driving the Volvo, but I wont know until I drive it. I also have the feeling the A4 1.8T may be too wimpy for an AWD wagon with auto and a full load. That said, the BMW may be weak as well, but it has a great 6-cylinder (very smooth... I don't like 4-cyl engines.), and I will already have a E46 sedan (so I will know a fair amount about the car when it comes down to maintainance, etc). I have not driven the new A4 Avant, nor a 325ixT to be able to say more.

Since both my fiancee and I can drive stick (and like it), we may go with a manual, but since it's the family car for trips, etc, we think an auto will work best. Also, everyone in our families except for my dad will rather die than drive a stick, so that's another aspect to consider. But it hasn't been ruled out yet.

So what do you guys think, what do you suggest, etc. Sorry for the long post, but I rather say it all than keep having to clarify things afterwards.
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One thing about the C wagon is that it has a LOT more legroom in back than my car. Could be important if you're going to keep the wagon for a long time.

As far as power delivery in the volvo goes... Volvo has some of the worst turbo engineering that I can find. I recall when I was looking at an S80 for a friend's mother. (Big downside to being the car geek, I had to drive it and pretend I liked it.) The turbo's torque peak was up near redline! That's pretty useless!

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Good point about the leg-room in the C-class. Myabe I'll look at the new C240 wagon, because the C320 is way too expensive and luxurious.

I REALLY hated the Volvo engine. I was very dissapointed. The car only had 23 miles, so I didn't want to rev it. But the engine wasn't smooth at all. At 5 cylinders I expected it to be better than a 4 cylinder, but frankly for a new car, it was pretty bad. But again, my parents wont notice it. It really is the perfect car for them, as sad as that sounds. My dad told me it took regular gas... maybe that's part of the explanation?

I hate having to make people feel good. Like when my aunt bought an X5 4.4 even though she drives 10 miles a week only to go grocery shopping. Such overkill. She would be much better off with a E320 4-matic. But she'll never know.

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The M-Bs have a lot more low end torque, so they're probably better when mated to an auto, as well.

It was also annoying that I couldn't even try any of my standard test drive maneuvers. With her in the car, she'd die... And let's just say I was scared to try an emergency lane change in the Volvo. Regardless, since she absolutely, utterly refuses to drive German cars, Volvos are about it.

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I bet she doesn't drink either.... or eat sweets, listen to music, laugh, etc.

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No. In this case, she's Jewish. I keep telling her to get over it and buy the car she really wants.


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