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 Diagnosing an engine overheat problem on an M Coupe.



I think my water pump is shot.

I'm the proud owner of a 2000 M Coupe as of this past Feb - 32 k miles, still looks fantastic. Driving home from work three days ago I noticed the overheat light come on. I immediately stopped and let the engine cool down, and was only a few miles from home - so I don't expect there was any damage. But now I have to diagnose the problem.

I've checked all the fuses - they are fine. (both #16 and the 40A under the dash - #@$%!).

The Aux fan does _not_ come on, even when the engine is hot. Nor does the Aux fan come on when the A/C is swiched on. (I read about other people trying this a/c test - not sure of the significance myself.) These were checked after driving around for a few miles to warm up the engine - stopped and checked the fan as soon as the overheat light came on.

The Aux fan spins freely when nudged - does not appear to be a bearing problem.

The oil temp never goes above 230F when doing these tests. (at least via the dash guage)

In my opinion, the juicy clue is that, after heating up the engine, the left (drivers) side of the top of the radiator is hot - but the right side is still cool to the touch. So there can be no fluid circulating. Or is the radiator just that efficient?

So my current theory is that the water pump is shot, so fluid is not circulating, but the temperature guage controlling the aux fan is attached to the portion of the radiator that never heats up - so it never goes on. (Bently book is on order - I really have no idea where the temperature guages are.)

But, there is no abnormal noise whatsoever, the coolant level is normal and there is no coolant leak. Aren't these the normal symptoms of a water pump failure? And isn't 32k miles a very young age for a water pump to die? (When my old MR2 lost its water pump, @ ~90 mph on the highway, it made a _very_ impressive cloud of steam.)

Could it be the thermostat? Wouldn't this fail in the open (circulating) position?

Perhaps there is something blocking the radiator?

Any other ideas / suggestions greatly appreciated.

Also: I've found that by keeping the a/c on full hot and keeping the rpms below 2.5k then the coolant temperature never rises much above normal - i.e. the overheat light does not go on. So I plan to get the car so the repair shop this way - unless someone tells me this is _not_ a good idea. But I'd say this means the temp sensor/dash guage is working.

Lastly: Any recommendations for good M Coupe service shops on the SF penninsula? Any comments on what a fair price to pay to replace a water pump (or your best estimate of what my problem is)? My other car goes to Peter Pan, but entirely because I have the extended service agreement with them.

Thanks a lot.
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Sounds to me like it may be the thermostat or some blockage in the radiator.

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My Bay Area geography isn't perfect, so I'm not sure how far from the SF Peninsula this is, but I used Rennwerks in Mountain View for a prepurchase inspection before I bought my Coupe and have nothing but good things to say about them.

I know there are probably 15-20 Coupers who use Rennwerks exclusively, so it's safe to say they know the M Coupe inside and out.

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Doesn't seem like this is as clear a problem as I was hoping.

Ben - Rennwerks is close enough - I'll give them a try.

Have a good Memorial Day.

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Doesn't seem like this is as clear a problem as I was hoping.

Ben - Rennwerks is close enough - I'll give them a try.

Have a good Memorial Day.
Easy way to know if the coolant is flowing...

Squeeze the upper radiator hose with the engine off. Then squeeze it right after starting the engine cold (should feel about the same, thermostat closed). Then squeeze it again after the engine comes to temperature. If coolant is flowing, you'll feel it. It'll be warm and you'll feel the fluid passing through.

Thermostat can fail open or closed, but I've personally never had one fail open. When I was young and driving beaters, I had to do more than one roadside thermostat removal to get where I was going. Hope to never have that happen in the M, since I don't carry a 32mm wrench and O-rings needed to remove/replace the thermostat housing on the S54, and the thought of rmeoving/replacing the fan on the roadside makes me ill.

Hmm... if you're able to bring down the temperature by turning the heater on, I suspect you've got some coolant flow. I don't think that much heat will be drawn off through the heater core if the coolant isn't flowing. I've never checked it on one of these cars though. The 2500 rpm limit you're maintaining might have more to do with it than the heater being on...

Have an IR temperature gun? As Randy posted not long ago, they can be handy for finding hot/cold spots in the radiator that would indicate blockage.

Any motion in the expansion tank? I forget, the S52 has the 'integral' expansion tank, right?

Could be a number of things. Obviously a dealer tech will figure it out pretty quickly. The S52's do tend to run warmer than the S54 cars, due to the lack of an oil cooler. Someone with more S52 experience can speak up about what happens if the aux fan isn't working at all.

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Daniel -

Great suggestions. Thanks. As soon as I clear out the weekend family I will do these checks.

But ... I'm certain that I can control the engine temp with the heater. Its very responsive. Turning the climate control fan down to medium results in the temp going up, say to about 7/8ths scale - light just on. Turning it on full quickly takes the temp guage down to about 3/4 - light off. Very repeatable. And the heater air is _blazing_ hot. Almost feels like you will burn your fingers. There is plenty of heat going through the heater core.

I don't have a temperature gun, but my finger says the radiator is hot (~150F) on the left and cold (~65F) on the right.

I'll post the results of the fluid flow checks Monday.


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