My understanding from a resent post by Niel and then e-chatting with Daniel that the
TC Kline plates offer a lot of adjustability for tweaking Caster and Camber trackside with out effecting toe settings.
I am pretty sure the K Macs don't allow this.
I currently have the Kmacs set at 2 degrees neg in the front. Am I really leaving something on the table here. I have never driven the M coupe with more than -2 camber and it has been a nice track day car.
Is it worth the $500 to s*** out? I quess I could sell the Kmacs for 1/2 price- they are essentially new - is that fair ? Too expensive?
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recommend these instead, a lot of E36 guys are raving about them, but the TCK are much superior to KMac, and whenever you change camber/caster you change toe, no way around that:
http://www.motor-force.com
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Any time you increase negative camber -- regardless of the plate used -- toe-out will increase.
My experience with K-MACs has not been good. I'd go either with Ground Control or TC Kline.
FWIW, I'm running Ground Control's hybrid camber plates and am very happy with the set-up.
Neil
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TC Kline Racing Camber/ Caster Plates - Here's the best part, they permit a 1.5 degree range of camber adjustment without loosing track of your toe setting. So now you can optimize performance on both street and track. Adjustment only* takes about 5 minutes per side!
What exactly does that mean - loosing track. Either you have to adjust toe or you don't ...correct.
What is available for the do it at home alignement kits. I have something called
Exact Toe for my shifter karts. Essentially you attach aluminum components to the front spindles and rear axles. A laser beam tells you what the settings are and if the kart is square. Tie rods and kingpins are right there and adjustment are made in a few minutes.
Anything simple like that available, or am I going to need a shop every time- if thats the case I will have to live with a street / track compromise.
Thanks
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Again, when you adjust camber - no matter what plates -- toe necessarily changes. Simply a matter of geometry.
Of course, you do not have re-adjust toe -- by shortening/lengthening the tie-rods -- to compensate for the change that resulted from your camber adjustment. But again, toe will change whenever you adjust camber.
FWIW, the "functionality" of the TC Kline plates are the same as the GC plates. They're just slightly different designs. With the GC plates, I have approx. 2 degrees of range in adjusting camber.
Neil
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as you add neg. camber on the front it will toe out and vice versa due to the steering rack being forward of the axles (tierod end points are fixed as axle hub moves in/out with camber change) , you may be able to compensate for the change some by changing caster as well, but then technically the two adjustments would then not be independent of each other, maybe this is what TCK is trying to do  I'd thing the bumpsteer would be all over the map too 
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